Oops!

[meandzax]

I am the proud owner of a 3 1/2 year old brindle Cairn--Maisy. She's my only Cairn. Maisy has been a learning experience for our family. To know her is to love her--alot. We also have a ten month old red Pomeranian stud. Well................the two "did it". I will enjoy sharing laughter with anyone. The way I see it, we will have pups this spring. Are they Pomacairns, Cariranians? What in the world will they look like? Quite poofy and hairy I expect. Will she have a dozen? Help!!!!!!!!!!!! Sarah

[mrskti]

Not sure sharing laughter is the right thing. It's too bad your purebread cairn is having muts.

[Tracy A.]

Not sure sharing laughter is the right thing. It's too bad your purebread cairn is having muts.

Dido

[bradl]

Why is a three year old Cairn pet bitch intact? (I assume she's a pet bitch because anyone in possession of a show bitch would not have allowed this to happen - or would be mortified if it did.) I guess I can understand a male pup not yet neutered at 10 months (reasonable people disagree on "best practices" for neutering at various ages). But as others have said, amusement would not be my reaction personally, as a fan of the Cairn Terrier. (I'm not much for Toy breeds, but I celebrate that every breed has it's fans). I would assume whomever sold you your Pom would be equally mortified.

I hope you can understand and accept that on a forum dedicated to Cairn Terriers, hosted as a public service by a club dedicated to the preservation and improvement of the Cairn Terrier - as well as committed to upholding the principles and practices of responsible breeding and ownership - this would be perceived as A Very Bad Thing.

I'm sorry to sound so unwelcoming. Truly, all Cairn Terrier owners and fans are welcome, and you will be too. But please don't expect much beyond sadness (at best) over such a breeding. It represents everything that any responsible breeder fears when placing a pup. If anyone wonders why some breeders seem to be so obnoxious and controlling over spay/neuter contracts, reference checks, interrogation, and all the rest: this is one reason why.

As always, I'm speaking only for myself and not for anyone else, nor for any organization.

[Kramersmom]

I ditto what everyone else has said here. I am all for the spay/neuter so things like this do not happen.

[Toby23]

Yep.......my feelings have been already stated by other posts. Being the parent-owner of a male Cairn, I'm glad (and proud) to say he was just neutered at 7 months. I can assure anyone I would have loved to find a girlfriend Cairn for him, but I also belive as much as I adore and love my puppy, he is no doubt "pet" quality !

[Eliz222]

This news saddens me too. Our breeders had an agreement that we would neuter/spay our dogs as soon as it's healthy for the dogs. I'm so sorry this has happened to you, and I would encourage you to let the breeder (of both dogs) know what has happened.

[toomanypaws]

I can't add to what has already been said, nor could I be as diplomatic.

[goforette]

I wouldn't be excited either over the news - granted mine are currently intact females, but I'd never ever in a million years allow that type of situation to happen. Let alone have an intact female and male of different breeds co-exist as pets together.

[mrskti]

I'm just curious if this was a shot for a "designer" breed....I shutter at the thought.

[AngusMacDoggal]

Opps is an understatement! Having worked years in "rescue" for another popular breed I am a total devotee of spay/neuter and the earlier the better. I would highly suggest that this Cairn be spayed as soon as her puppies are delivered if she continues to live in a home with an intact male and an owner that is not able to keep them from connecting when she is in heat. NOT TO MENTION, she will be much healthier, and protected from all types of female cancers that intact dogs run the risk of getting. The male if he is not a show dog should be neutered to protect him from prostate cancer.

Sounds to me like a shot at a designer puppy too. Too bad for both the Cairn and the Pom.

[Will&Grace]

Although I agree with all the posts concerning the "oops" that happened with your dogs I would like to say that I hope you take all the comments as constuctive for future. It's easy to make a mistake, espcially if uneducated about the "preservation and improvement of the Cairn Terrier" and such issues that many here hold dear to their hearts. Although it would be easy to be put off by the passions of this topic topic on the forum, I hope that you can understand the points of view expressed. I would like to encourage you to utilze this forum as a place to visit often to educate yourself on Cairns and the care and love of them. Please ensure that you work closely with your vet through this process, learn from the mistake, and please try to become an active member of this forum. I have learned so very much here in the past 10 months of reading here daily and I would hate for you to miss an opportunity such as this forum for learning and growing as a Cairn owner.

[GirlieJr]

I guess what I have a problem with is that both dogs were intact and yet free to co-exist. I guess I had better lessons about the "birds and the bees" because it doesn't take a genius to figure out what could happen!

I'm always a little shocked when people are "surprised" about an unplanned doggie pregnancy (or human one for that matter!). What did you expect to happen having a male and female that aren't fixed?!?!?

[momofelouise]

Now this is just a question - I'm not trying to get anyone riled up i just can't understand it. WHY doesn't anyone have a problem with all of the purebred dog breeders out there, breeding their dogs (Yes, I understand the responsible ones have a market and make sure they pups go to a good home, etc.) when there are all those mutts and strays out there that need a good home! Perhaps if there weren't any purebreds being bred constantly, people would go to the shelters and get their dogs! I just don't get it.

[mrskti]

momofelouise....I think responsible breeders dont breed constantly, it's the puppy mills that do. And someone has to keep the breed going and make sure there are quality dogs. I know i hope people go to the shelters and rescue some dogs too, they are every bit as loving and great as our cairns. We're just a little pissed that someone thinks it's funny and that opps was the response. Dont worry, i dont think anyone will get riled up over your question!

[toomanypaws]

Now this is just a question - I'm not trying to get anyone riled up i just can't understand it. WHY doesn't anyone have a problem with all of the purebred dog breeders out there, breeding their dogs (Yes, I understand the responsible ones have a market and make sure they pups go to a good home, etc.) when there are all those mutts and strays out there that need a good home! Perhaps if there weren't any purebreds being bred constantly, people would go to the shelters and get their dogs! I just don't get it.

I do have a problem w/ purebred dog breeders that are breeding their bitch every heat cycle for the profit, and also those who sell to pet stores. Seeing pet stores that advertise, "we buy puppies" sure doesn't help some idiot who thinks there's money to be made in breeding. The reason for all of the mutts and strays is because people don't spay/neuter and their dogs get out and breed. Then there are those who think they have the cutest dog in the world and just "have" to have one litter of puppies. People need to get educated and realize there is not this huge profit in breeding, if it's done according to standard. My dh sees way too many cases of parvo in puppies because someone didn't want to spend the money and vaccinate, but still bred their dog. If there weren't any purebreds being bred (those dedicated to improving their breed), then all we'd have is mutts in shelters.

[kcsdogs]

Yeah I tend to think the "designer dog thing" doesn't have rave reviews around here..........its too bad that happened, there are too many "accidents" in this world already. This type of thing has gotten way out of hand wether it is done on purpose or not. Anyone who has intact dogs should know what the logistics of that are and plan accordingly. I would be utterly mortified if I had been this careless.

[mrskti]

Boy, i bet he/she wished they hadnt even brought this "opps" to our attention!!!! LOL

[bradl]

I left this topic open a couple of days in case there was any follow-up or clarification by the OP. There hasn't been and as mixed-breed litters aren't in scope for Cairn Talk, I'm closing this thread.