Newman Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Hi guys, well.. Fonzy and my shitzu odie just got fixed last month, and they havn't gotten in a fight yet, but I just woke up 10min ago, out of my sleep to screaming dog's ripping each others ear's up and face..... All the way from my garage, to the living room, I could hear them fight, I was sleeping, and for some reason my grandma was out there wacking the two of them with a paper stick like she always does. So I ran the fastest out of my garage, grabbed anything on the way there, ( I grabbed a paper Towel) big roll of it, and I go grab fonzy by the kneck (skin) and put the paper towel in the middle of the face so he would bite onto it, so I could take them apart, (They fight until death) and fonzy is 22lb's and odie my mom's shitzu is like 15-17lb's, and plus odie looks like he is going to get eaten alive, so I have to grab fonzy first, because odie CANT LET go, because he is being bitten on. OH MY GOD THIS is so STUPID THOUGH, We thought we got them fixed last MONTH and no FIGHTS, THEN OUT OF NOWHERe, I mean it was happening like 3months in a ROW, a couple month's ago and it's FREAKIN TERRIBLE, EVERYDAY, especially my Sister, she moved out of the house, so NOW my grandma is the only one HOME, and if MY MOM IS AT WORK, Like she is NOW, then my grandma WILL SEE those two dog's FIGHT UNTIL Death, IF I WASN"T HOME.. This is stupid, why is everything falling me on? I need to go college/etc and get out of here, but obliviously I CANT because fonzy will eat odie alive I know he will, they fight until death, that's why I get so nervous whenever I hear scream's or dog barks out in the living room, I get massive anxiety, and I can't handle this anymore, we need to do something. One day if I'm gone outside to go workout or something, and they get in a fight, and my Grandma continue to WACK them with a paper stick, I GUARANTEE I Will come to do odie not breathing, with blood everywhere.... this is retarded I LOVE FONZY SO MUCH, that he sleeps with me/etc stays in my room, but seriously if he can't stop this, we have to get rid of him, we cannot get rid of odie, because he is my mom's dog, and was there first, I sleep with fonzy every night and I am having a nice relationship with him, I even sleep with him over my CAT FOR 8YEARS........... I Just cannot have fonzy fighting anymore, There is like around 7-10cat's inside the house (depends if some go outside) or if my grandma let's them outside. (that annoy the hell out of poor fonzy) but the cats were there first and it's not FAIR to them. So Right now my mom get's home in like 3hours, and i put fonzy in my room and now he's just sleeping on my bed looking at me like "what I do??".... This is so sad, but seriously.... I can't be having dog fights in a house, these things fight until death and it's scary as heck, i swear i've broken up atleast 25 times of both them. And this time was the hardest it took like 3minutes trying to break them up, and i tried everything throwing water on them/etc, none work for these, you have to use your strength and pull them apart. My grandma's fault for buying fonzy in the first place, knowing that we have 10cats and 1dog already. Cairn's are REALLY territorial and love to be with there "Dad" (ME) and like to rule the house, sad really. She shoulda looked them up, before she bought him, but guess she's 72years old alrdy, wouldn't you think? .... -Nick Click to show the full size image! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
remltr Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 You need some professional help, such as in a dog trainer. Just off the top of my head if Fonzy is getting all the attention from where Odie used to get it before, that is going to be a problem for Odie. In my way of thinking Odie was there first, then that means Odie gets fed first, petted first, etc. Fonzy needs to submit to Odie and that is where a professional can help you. I may be wrong, so if you take any of my advice get the professional help. Sassy Jan 22, 2005 AM. CH. THARRBARR LITE MY FIRE ZOMERHOF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newman Posted February 18, 2011 Author Share Posted February 18, 2011 We do not have hundreds of dollars laying around to get help.. Is there a easier solution? I mean fonzy wont even submit to my cat....... and odie follows fonzy and keeps sniffing fonzy's butt all the time, there both fixed, dunno why they do that Click to show the full size image! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janis Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 Nick, Could you crate Fonzy when you aren't there to watch him? Crate training is fairly simple, there are lots of books out there and great advice here if you will do a search for it. We crated Kirby while we were at work during the day. I walked him at 6 am. Had him with me until I had to leave for work. My husband came home at noon and took him out, played with him, them again when he got home from work. We crate trained to housebreak him, but it is also a great way to know he's safe. Another solution might be to get some baby gates and block off a small bathroom or area in the house he can be unsupervised but can't get into any trouble when you aren't home. Make sure he has plenty of toys so he doesn't get bored. If you are serious about not keeping him, you can post with the cairn terrier rescue here and someone who has a home for a cairn would probably take him. Think it over when you aren't so frustrated. I know, I threatened to take mine to the pound on more than one occasion. Lot of good people here gave me good advice. You have to be the leader. Fonzy will learn but he is probably just to young to be unsupervised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pkcrossley Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 yes, the simplest solution is that you separate the dogs, as a first step to get your life back in order. there are many ways to do it. crating fonzy is fine, or let the dogs take turns being crated. or close a door and keep one dog separated from the other. or buy a baby gate that is high enough to fonzy to not jump and put it somewhere that will separate them. once they are separated and you have some peace, you can think what to do next. i don't remember the ages of these dogs but it could be that they will grow out of it. fonzy certainly needs NILIF, which does not cost anything (in other words, unlike life, it is free). a cairn who is generally conditioned with NILIF is unlikely to start attacking a companion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinib Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 Dogs need constant training. There are resources out there to teach you how to train your dog. My dogs, Buckley -3.5 yo and Gracie-2 yo are getting trained on something every day. For example, they have to work for a treat, whether they came in on command the first call, telling them to leave it when I give them a treat, sit, stay, wait, come. This is all training. I have taken them to 4 obedience classes each and it CAN get expensive. I understand funding can be an issue, but that doesn't mean you can't work with your dogs. Here are some helpful videos. Gracie was trained under this method. These may or maynot help you, but it is a starting point. Watch, read, practice. http://www.dogstardaily.com/videos/training Training doesn't have to be an hour long ordeal. Take 10 minutes a few times a day and work on one thing. For example, you can work on sit/stay/come. Is Fonzy food motivated? Get a hand full of his dog food or treats and practice 15 sit/stay/comes. When he does what you ask, reward him with a treat. Repeat. Training a Cairn is probably the most frustrating and rewarding thing I have ever had to do. I enrolled Buckley in a tricks class. I didn't think he would ever learn bang (play dead) and roll over. Two classes went by and we would practice at home and he just wasn't getting it. I just marked that trick off the list of something he couldn't do. One day he did it. And kept doing it. I don't know what connected in that brain of his, but he finally figured it out. He ended up having the best rollover in class. Gracie (12 lbs) and Buckley (18 lbs) occassionally fight. Gracie is the youngest, but an alpha. Buckley tolerates most of it, but will put her in place when she gets on his nerves. If they start fighting, I let them try to work it out. I am right there supervising and the scuffle only lasts only a few seconds. Usually Gracie submits to Buckley. If it escalates, I seperate them by grabbing the back legs of one of the dogs and pulling them towards me. Then both dog go into timeout. Are your dogs getting enough exercise? I know you mentioned going to the gym. Do you take Fonzy (and/or Odie) running with you? A tired puppy is a happy puppy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newman Posted February 20, 2011 Author Share Posted February 20, 2011 Fonzy is in the backyard the whole day! I just have to pick up fonzy whenever I go out in the living room now, I guess whatever I'll do w/e it takes to keep him He is always playing in the backyard he has alot of exerice the backyard is pretty big too. At this point I honestl'y don't care if he get's in a fight. I'll go and help them if they do, but If I AM NOT HOME AND they get in a FIGHT and odie is left dead on the floor bleeding and fonzy is happy as a BEE, I will not let my family put fonzy down, IT's not my fault. at all, it's whoever is @ home which would be my grandma at the time if they would ever get in a fight. I usally put fonzy in my room when I leave. But if my grandma opens the door and let's him out and I'm gone. And they get in a fight, and when I come home and odie is dead, and fonzy is just super happy, and they better not get mad at fonzy they won't do nothing to fonzy, I wont let them, It's there fault for letting him out and getting into a fight, a Cairn is a beast, and my grandma would think twice, next time she wacks them on the head with a Paper TOwel, that just makes the fighting worse, so whatever. Like I said, I will put fonzy in my room before I leave to go somewhere, and if grandma let's him out while im gone and If I come back and odie is dead or hurt, don't blame sh*t on me. I love fonzy and don't care if he hurts anyone, it's your fault for letting him go out in the living room, I put him in my ROOM FOR HIS PROTECTION AND OTHERS. My family sucks to be honest, Click to show the full size image! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracy A. Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 I I will not let my family put fonzy down, IT's not my fault. at all, it's whoever is @ home which would be my grandma at the time if they would ever get in a fight. If it gets to this point, please contact one of the Cairn resuce groups who can assist in helping to re-home Fonzy in a single dog household. Tracy, Amos, Walter, Brattwrust & Mettwurst a.k.a The Gremlins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScruffynMag Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 I I will not let my family put fonzy down, IT's not my fault. at all, it's whoever is @ home which would be my grandma at the time if they would ever get in a fight. If it gets to this point, please contact one of the Cairn resuce groups who can assist in helping to re-home Fonzy in a single dog household. Ditto www.cairnterriertalk.co.uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dianer Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 Before I knew anything about dogs, dog training or cairns the thing that saved us was what was already posted: A tired puppy is a happy puppy! If that is not possible, then I second the suggestion that you contact a rescue group for cairns in your area. It won't cost you anything to talk to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjwarnold Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 Maybe you could put Fonzy in a crate in your home. That way if your Grandma opens the door to your room, he won't escape. Jandy and my Cairns, Kirby & Phinney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanford Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 I second the suggestion that you contact a rescue group for cairns in your area. It won't cost you anything to talk to them. Ditto! Our dogs are dependent on us for their safety & well-being. I understand that the situation at home is not something you can control, therefore, you should do the right thing for Fonzy and contact a cairn rescue group to rehome him. No matter how frustrated and impatient you may be with your situation and your grandmother right now, if you don't get Fonzy out of there, you'll feel terrible if the worst thing should happen. I know how much you love him and how hard this must be, but please spare yourself the heartache and regret of not having done the right thing for Fonzy, who means so much to you. FEAR THE CAIRN! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newman Posted February 25, 2011 Author Share Posted February 25, 2011 Fonzy's new crate is my room now. Alot better then a little tiny crate for a dog. I would never put him in a crate.. He just sticks in my room sometimes when theres alot of drama out in the living room with the animals, everything is doing fine so far. Fonzy is awesome and sorry this thread was made but.. i had to release my dog feelings somewhere.. Click to show the full size image! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idaho Cairns Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 monkuar, you need to step up now and train both of these dogs to co-exist with each other--removing one or the other, while it gains a degree of peace in the house, isn't a solution. Two small dogs can be handled easily and dogs aren't human--it doesn't come down to "who's fault it is" or "who starts it" with dogs--it comes down to hard nosed--"This simply isn't going to happen here!" discipline. Your Grandma and you should sit down and try to find--on the internet, old episodes of the "Dog Whisperer" and review those that deal with just this thing--despite the disclaimer of "don't try this at home" the shows will give you and Grandma some behavioral techniques you can use to get some control back. No blaming, no expectations of an easy cure, just some attention to the needs of your home and your dogs. You are doing well by cutting down on the fighting but go that extra step. Keep us informed about how it is all going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanford Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 Monkuar, I'm glad you've come up with a way to try to manage your situation and I hope things continue to get better. To that end, I would just like to point out 2 things you may not have been aware of: The first is to educate yourself regarding the use of crates. Until I learned otherwise, I also thought crates were "cages" and cruel. They are not. Most dogs take very naturally to an appropriately sized crate. It satisfies a canines natural instinct for a den - for a small, enclosed space. A crate with soft bedding, a chew toy and water can be a welcome retreat for a dog, as many folks on this site will attest to. (One caution, however... Some dogs will never take to a crate and those dogs should never be forced to do so). The other point relates to Fonzy having his own room, (which in this case, turns out to be your room), which I think is great! But a room with a closed door can sometimes be a problem for some dogs who will bark and scratch and even chew at the door. Perhaps this is OK with Fonzy, but if it's a problem, putting a baby gate in the open doorway often helps the dog quiet down. As usual, Idaho Cairns has some good advice and I hope it all works out for you and Fonzy. P.S. Don't be sorry for the thread. Many of us have our frustrations with our dogs and we're lucky to have this site to help us vent and to get guidance from more experienced folks. We are all pretty much learning as we go! FEAR THE CAIRN! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tami Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 Also baby gates don't need to cost any money. Check in with any of your relatives, neighbors etc that may have school age children. Most likely someone will have baby gates in their garage that they're just dying to get rid of for free. That's how we got all of ours. Cheers, Tami Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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