8 Month old not housebroke-help

[flyslr35]

I have a 8 month old male- neutered carin pure bred. He has been crate trained from day one and is able to hold his bladder for 8-12 hours with no problem. However when myself, wife or kids take him outside he uses the potty. However 20 minutes later when inside he just decides to squat without warning and pee.

Also when anyone he see's on a walk or we have guests at the home he pee's uncontrollably everywhere.

I have had several other breeds with no problem and this is getting quite frustrating.

Anyone with sensible advice please help. I use odor eliminator so I know it is not that/ plus I have tile.

Thanks.

[sheila and Misty]

If he was crated most of the day/nite and can hold it -now that your allowing him out of the crate-thats like letting him outside-its all out to him. your going to have to take note of suttle hints he may make or take him out more frequently when out of the crate . Untill he can get it in his little bean that out of the crate isnt necessarily out of the house. once he catches on with consistency on your part you should be ok. and nuetrilize any possible accident sites.(which you already claimed you have that part under control. reward when outside is REALLY outside -he'll catch on. wishing you luck patience and consistency

[Idaho Cairns]

You seem to have two issues here. One is the peeing in the house after going outside and the other the "excited" or "nervous" peeing when meeting people.

The former is best controlled by making sure you clean all the marking spots completely, using enough chemicals to remove all the smells associated with his misdeeds and then watching him like a hawk for signs that he is about to mark somewhere and intervening immediately with a firm "NO!" and taking him outside. He must know that his behavior is unacceptable --- it may take some time as the dog is, at eight months, habituated to going in the house. No physical punishment is necessary--just verbal and if you have children they have to buy in to the program--everyone against the dog until he gets the idea. Make sure your home is as completely free of his previous peeing as you can--give him no comfortable inside smell to use as a referent.

The other problem is one that I have never been able to cure in my older dog. When someone comes to the house, and in some cases when my wife returns after a few hours, the dog will squat and dribble and has done so since she was a puppy. We have try to intercept her before she gets to the target of her excitement because it only occurs in close proximity of the person. If we can get her outside and away, she often (but not always) calms down enough to be let in and to greet the person. If we can get her picked up and she can't get into that squat, we can keep it from happening but mostly, we try to make all greetings outside where clean up is unnecessary. It is a royal pain in the butt but every dog I have ever seen with the problem never fully gets past it--might be worse when they are young, but they still have the problem as they mature. Frankly, I would love to find a solution to this excited wetting--trying to be harsh with her only increases the nervousness and the flow.

[Hawkeye]

My Bailey had the same problem at eight months old where he would stay in his crate for many hours dry, but when taken out he would pee. We confined him to what ever room we were in and would watch him very close. I agree with Idaho Cairns, we cleaned all the pee spots really good and took him out a lot. When he did his business outside, we praised him alot (may seem silly but they really need positive reinforcement) and would give treats after 'good boys'.

It has been a slow process and he has been a lot better, but still every once in a while he forgets himself and we remind him by gating him in the same room with us or confining him in the kitchen alone. That works well too, because he likes to be with us at all times and this tells him that I am not happy with him and don't want to be with him. It's like sending our kids to their rooms for misbehaving. I have also had to watch his water intake. Hope this helps.

[PeppersMom]

I highly recommend the umbilical method..you literally tie the dog via a leash to you..I have a dual leash and one of them has a clip on both ends. I would clip one to a belt loop...that way you can look for signs of peeing and get him outside before he pees indoors. Sniffing is a big indication he will pee...Also he should not have access to water all day..you need to control when and take him out after he has a drink...

[Jetti]

Hi, Hawkeye and Idaho Cairns are absolutely right. Mine did some peeing when exited too but at 2 years old, he has gotten over it. It takes

them a long time to grow up.

When I take him out in the morning and someone greets him he still cannot hold his bladder and I keep yelling at people: "Wait, he has to pee"

Not very polite but effective.

[CJ_NY]

Jetti: we're in the same boat; I sometimes "run" my dog past passersby when I know she will go nuts and do a happy pee near them!

Flysir: Hang in there. My cairn took forever to potty train (despite everyone on the streets and dog parks' "helpful" stories about how THEIR dog took two days to learn!). Finally after five months, she's accident free! (jinx!)

[Puddlesmama]

I agree with the umbilical cord scenario..it worked wonders for us.. Also the submissive urination problem can be fixed quite easily by making sure the dog is not fussed over upon someone entering. They must be ignored until the frenzy of a new human stopping by passes. Puddles (hence the name) was a submissive urinator until 11 months..she was spayed at 6. Also some daily basic obedience training works wonders for a pups ego.. It gives them a bit of confidence to tackle the world clean and dry Training obedience on a long leash in public worked wonders. It helps give them distraction confidence. And it seems to make them understand what is more important..The handler with the treats or the dog next door. Over time, with a high value treat, The treats are always much better than the other guy. Good Luck!

[jodi0553]

We had a similar problem at 7 months and bell training saved us from the squat in the middle of the room behavior. Does you dog currently ask to go out or do you take him out at regular intervals of your choosing? We took ours out like clockwork, but when he might have to go, rather than asking, he'd just squat.

As for the excited peeing, is it excitement or submissive? I think the two are pretty different. My guy grew out of it at a certain age - I think between 9 months and a year. I used to have to walk him down a long hall at work to get to the bathroom and I'd sometimes carry him and walk in a hurry saying to everyone who passed "please don't say hi to him! He'll pee!!!!" I remember one time the person who was saying hi was the janitor for the floor and his response was, "I clean the floors and I want to say hi to him even if I have to clean up the puddle after." he didn't quite get the training idea.....haha!

Also know that you can search through the archives on this forum and you will see that housebreaking problems are very common with these guys. 8 months is on the long end, but many are not housebroken till 6 or 7 months. Also, some of us with adults still have occasional problems - this breed likes to "solve problems" and their solutions are not always what we'd consider best (mine figured out that the floor was no no for potty and once took a poop on someone's umbrella lying on their floor..... )

good luck!

[Sam I Am]

We must have been very lucky because we got Jock at 12 weeks of age. We had him house broken pretty well within a week! We both work so we put him in an enclosed cage with his crate inside. My husband would come home at noon, let him out to do his business . After a week he never made a mess in his cage and by 7 months of age he had the complete run of the house all day long. I think the thing that really helped in our situation was that our Scottish Terrier was 5 yrs old when Jock came into our home. She was a very clean dog (unless she got sick) and I think he just followed her lead and did all his business outside. So maybe having an older dog around to show the pup is the answer. I dont know... but it sure worked!